We might see the ball moved to space a bit more and then the game would once more be all about elusive runners and would certainly be more attractive to watch.League has no line outs. It becomes almost as much of a shambles as the league scrum. The union world cup isnt much better however the Lions series is the pinnacle. Thanks for that hatefull post towards rugby even if it didn't happen The_Voice.Im sure if you read the comments again I wasn't the one who said "Even playing RL on an RU pitch could 'professionalise'. His ball carrying and defense would be amazing from 8 or 6 but he may struggle when the ball was on the floor.On a final note, I saw a study a year or so ago comparing the time the ball was in play in union and league matches. The difference for me though depends on where its played. Yes, as you can see from the photo the League ball isn't quite as round and is also actually a bit longer. I've seen some great RU games - mainly internationals - the fact a the result affects a nation makes it exciting, however for pure skills its RL everytime.The poster who say RL is boring - YOU'VE NOT WATCHED A LIVE GAME - GO AND WATCH ONE AND STOP BELIEVING THE RUBBISH YOU HAVE BEEN FED TO BELIEVE !! In fact when I introduced rugby to some American friends, I started out teaching them the basics by just playing some League as its pretty damn simple to be honest. In rugby, those days might yet come. At first glance, defenders of the XV's game have a statistical leg to ⦠The game is faster than in the 70's / 80's I feel this is largely due to the fact that RL took a good look at it'self and re-invented by moving to Summer season. Union is a decent sport but League is on another level. A french(Senlis)point of view.Not the same historical, public schools versus working men class did not exist.In France, originaly as you know, Union was played mainly in south ouest in villages.Nowdays spread out the country, but the main thing(the reason i enjoy it so much compare to soccer), this sport is played by doctors, plumbers, electricians, engineers, farmers, etc...Excellent to meet people from different environments, help you to not to be narrow minded.So no private club, that is why were are so lucky to have facilities and pitches paid by the mairie (all the community).John, a recent debate about stadiums, a town like Senlis (15000 people) north of Paris (so, not the hot bed of rugby)we have 2 pitches and a club house, not with race tracks and athletics, exclusively for the PRACTICE of RUGBY.Rugby league not popular in France except in Perpignan. Complain about this comment (Comment number 39). None of this has anything to do with the skill level of the League team but simply reflects how different the games are. working men needed paid to take time off their jobs, https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2307043.stm. ?Reason for the above (plus many many many) other examples is that RU officials, well educated and in positions of power abused their positions to keep RL down. I would have had Gregor Townsend or Finlay Calder in there perhaps? Banahan's height would make him a threat aerially were he to play on the wing but the man has the turning circle of an oil tanker. the biggest difference is that for the duration of rugby league u don't have rucks, that's the place gamers combat for the ball whilst a guy gets tackled. The pitch of the Rugby League measures between 112 and 122 meters long by 68 meters wide. In the Union, a penalty goal is 3 points whereas in the League it is 2 points. He lacks a hardness to play in the forwards but his size would make it hard to cover the ball when tackling so he could be a threat offloading, maybe from centre? Rugby union nowadays is one dimensional. The ball used in rugby union, usually referred to as a rugby ball, is a prolate spheroid essentially elliptical in profile. Complain about this comment (Comment number 15). Rugby union is a much better sport anyway. Me again.I do think conditions make a huge amount of difference here in the Uk. Union by a chunk! Rugby Union is not better than Rugby League, itâs different, although many of the skill sets needed are the same. !Perhaps RU journos should write about the lack of blackplayers in RU unitl fairly recently or why there have been so many RU rule changes(RU needs to look like RL as its rulers are ruled by money). Why are there two different kinds? The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Is union, with its greater number of facets and shapes and sizes a better game almost exclusively because of that? JohnWith Rugby League the action finishes at the tackle.With Rugby Union that's just when the game starts to get interesting. New Zealand only has 15,000 rugby league players left in the country. In Rugby Union, a score is worth 5 points and a drop goal is 3 points, whereas the League will award 4 points for a score but one point for a drop goal. I don't think union players are any more or less skillful or fitter than league. It will be called rugby league. The only places they seem to play it is Australia and northern England. If you don't practice it also makes these situations becomes more dangerous but the 1.5m rule at school means there is little point practicing driving a scrum and the secondary shove any more. Union is now slow and ponderous compared with League and worse still is often lacking in sporting entertainment and skill by comparison. That conglomeration of rugby playing schools and clubs then approved the first official laws of the sport in 1871. But I can remember scrummaging for what seemed hours on a machine. Although it's not as true as it used to be, is you have a union prop and a union winger standing next to each other it's absolutely clear who's who. In the UK, Rugby League is more popular in the north of England, whereas Rugby Union is more popular in the South. League has a limited skill set when compared to rugby. While I'm a much bigger League fan than Union, both codes can have their good and bad games. I enjoy both codes of the game but union just has it over the league as speciaised positions in union make it that much more technical as a result harder to play. "Hopefully it will add to the atmosphere, and inspire people to come back again". If the ball is kicked out of play during a rugby union match, the game is restarted with a lineout rather than a scrum, with eight player scrums being reserved to resolve minor rules infringements like knock-ons. You could play professional football, cricket, American Football, etc but would be banned for life for playing RLMake up your mind. However these "tight skills" in particular are appallingly taught at school and a young level. This class divide is also visible in Australia and New Zealand. The tackles are the other major difference in rugby league vs rugby union. Or is it better to watch constant movement and a game where catching, passing, and tackling are the key skills? While you will be able to view the content of this page in your current browser, you will not be able to get the full visual experience. It is winning new fans, breaking new ground and attracting new investors. It is for that reason that rugby union players compete for balls on the ground in what are called rucks and sometimes try to keep tackled players off the ground in what are called mauls. The whole 80 mins could be a series of kicks to touch and not much else.When 6-0 was a huge score, but it was still hugely entertaining and spellbinding.I will stick with what i know and what i love. I never used to get cold playing league, or bored for that matter. Complain about this comment (Comment number 6). Each team is allowed to do this up to six times per possession of the ball and then must kick the ball away toward the opposition if they have failed to score a try. RU is ironically now about money and viewing figures, its not about the speccie - look at the ticket prices for forhcoming Ireland internationals, they make your eyes water !! "Sorry, I don't no why, but i'm bored after ten minutes of Rugby League.Off subject, but a word about the Hall of Fame,For me(47), Gary ARMSTRONG is the legend,never seen a hard and brave player like him! Complain about this comment (Comment number 18). read more Rugby union is capable of producing a diverse range of kicking styles. Northern Rugby Football Union clubs continued for a while to play by the same original rules as set down by the RFU, but it wasn’t long before they began to create a new, different kind of rugby. (no black boy must desecrate the holy turf of the school playing fields).A large number of coaches had to be hired at great expense to take the thousand odd boys to the sports club. Complain about this comment (Comment number 35). Playing the earliest form of the rugby game wasnât the invention of the game, but rather the events that led to the game being coded are seen as the âinventionâ of rugby. League takes the best bits - strength, ball skill, open running, fitness and leaves the dross - endless kicking to find touch, pointless repetitive 1m gains in the middle, fat blokes who would be better suited to darts and games won on penalties without a try being scored. People in the Southern Hemisphere are more concerned with running attacking football than scrums & lineouts.I've always thought the NRL is the best football comp. Complain about this comment (Comment number 13), Complain about this comment (Comment number 14). "It also provides us with an opportunity to showcase how Airheads can add value and enhance crowd scenes in TV and Film Productions. Watching league is 10 times better than watching union, as union is just kick-lineout-scrum until someone gets a penalty and takes a shot at goal. League, of course, arose because working men needed paid to take time off their jobs to play rugby on a Saturday. Toffesaint writes:"The only thing i wish as a league fan is more coverage in the media. Im not sure which professional English club got a crowd of 1300 in the Guiness Premiership last year but according to their website. We really are due a bit of luck in international sport!!! Roll forward 40 years and the position has been reversed. This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. I much prefer Union but I have seen rugby matches as boring as watching my garden grow. What's better, rugby union or rugby league? And with that rebellion, the working class north was able to carve out its own domain. They are not afraid to switch match days and kick off times to avoid clashes with other sports in order to maximise attendances. I like my line-outs; I like my real scrums. John my boy - for the love of Oprah, probably the easiest question that you've ever asked.Remove the tactical kicking aspect from play (as league does) and you remove a huge dimension and a myriad of opportunities for broken field play. And this year the second-tier Challenge cup attracted a crowd of 50,000And another stat - average attendance at the 2008 RLWC - 16,000. Complain about this comment (Comment number 16). I have spent my whole life without having watched TV on a Tuesday or Thursday night because, your honour, they are rugby training nights. Complain about this comment (Comment number 48), Complain about this comment (Comment number 49). This makes a difference in the variety and style of kicking. Rugby League vs Rugby Union. In âUnionâ sides consist of 15 players, whereas in âLeagueâ sides only have 13. There's more to Union than the big, fast blokes monotonously bashing through the little, slow blokes, and long may it remain so. i mean, they were knocked to the ground and they were up again in one second, but even in that intervening second, they were bucking and writhing and kicking. Complain about this comment (Comment number 8). Complain about this comment (Comment number 50). Complain about this comment (Comment number 42), Complain about this comment (Comment number 43). 90K (only more than the biggest games in Union because of the venue), and the Super League Final approx 75k - but beyond that?Stade Francaise played 5 regular season games (not finals) at the Stade de France last season - all of them greater than 75K attendance. This led to RL struggling to gain any foothold in universities and the armed forces for example. John,I agree with many of the comments that Union was in danger of becoming sterile and boring due to the constant kicking to and fro etc. Why does everyone get so hung up about comparisons? though we use it a lot in training! Half of what union gets would see our coverage go up a hundred fold! "One of my (many) issues with rugby league is the way that players basically need one set of skills and that's it. James Graham is an outstanding player but may struggle to find a position in union. just pure unadulterated strength and stamina.from a pure entertainment angle, i think league is the better game. :)@The_Voice: No you're not gettin git, Nottingham are in the RFU Championship. WHY ???? Looking around I see most rugby players dating models, celebreties and famous girls from their own country.Thats alot better than most rugby league players who seem to be more interested in forcing woman to have sex with them or get the whole team to participate or watched them have sex. Complain about this comment (Comment number 40), Complain about this comment (Comment number 41). Watching Sale Sharks play Glasgow in a friendly last Friday my mind drifted though. What goes up must come down and even 18 stone being brought back to earth slowly by the lifters runs the risk of injury to joints and or soft tissue (watch out for medical reports in 20 yrs time). John Beattie | 16:38 UK time, Monday, 23 August 2010. Players are running about with the sun on their backs, the ball is not like a bar of soap; playing surfaces are not the mudbaths that they used to be and the crowd numbers are fantastic. In the late 1980s the Met police team was banned form the Mets own facilties - ironically they had to play at a RU club - money over the bar spoke for that club ! Last Saturday's match between the All Blacks and S.Africa was as good an advert for the game as I've seen for a long time - even S.Africa had appeared to change their philosophy and were trying to play a running game. Union requires a far broader skillset across the team. Rugby Union is alot bigger everywhere. Complain about this comment (Comment number 4). Rugby was already played in more countries around the world before the war in 1939. Maybe a simplyfied version of the two will emerge. This is Leagues fault for not focussing on internationals enough. Anybody who watched the end the last couple of months of the (NH) union season and the summer internationals will know that this has led to more attractive rugby and the move away from the endless kicking we saw before that. Perhaps if we brought in a 6 phase then turnover concept then we might not have to suffer big heavy men running into other big heavy men with little or no territorial gain. Complain about this comment (Comment number 63). The 15-20 people who claim rugby union is boring and consists of endless ping-pong kicking clarly haven't watched a game since Christmas. But internationally, the fastest-growing rugby code is neither union nor league; it ⦠Why also was it banned in the police ??? nearly all the players are standing and walking around when they are not involve in play. Therefore I declare union the king of rugby. from the crowd and whoever wins the scrum gets a set of 6 and a run at glory. What is the actual difference? The_Voice says@PrestwickSure Saracens got 50,000 at Wembley.It's a disgrace that the hallowed turf should be churned up by seventeen stone beer-barrels.Twickenham would never allow football to be played there.Those 50,000 consisted mainly of refugee South Africans who fled their homeland when their garden-boys got the vote.Yes One_Eye leaguie, the Wembley Footbal stadium got 50,000 fans to watched a game between two English rugby clubs. I don't know where you got that idea rugby players have no sex life because of rugby rucks, mauls and scrum. Complain about this comment (Comment number 5). The fitness levels are higher and hits much harder in league, as emphasised by Gareth Thomas after he switched (possibly an interview on BBC, possibly on Boots'n'All, I will try and track it down). On a different note, since I mentioned the competition above and it relates to last weeks blog: I feel absolutly gutted for your daughter John - missing out on qualification for next years world cup by a single point to Denmark, with 19 points out of a potential 24. I went to Wigan v Bath at Twickenham in 1996, but it wasn't a fair contest. American Football is all inaction for four hoursâarguably the ⦠This may not sound like much of a difference, but it changes the game because it means teams are more likely to go for a try than to accept the penalty in League, whereas Union is more of a kicking game because penalties score so highly. Marshal Petain banned rugby league in 1941 and seized it assets (which was labelled as a deviant variation of RU) at a time when league was flourishing and union was in decline. I enjoy both games and both have their place in the world.Union will always be my preffered choice. Front row play is an art and indeed a career long learning curve.I say we either standardise scrummaging laws across all age groups in union or we do away with the competetive scrum as in League where they are guaranteed posession from their own put in then the game moves swiftly on.Since professionalism, I feel that Union has become a stale turgid multi-phased, defence orientated game; Certainly not the spectacle of running rugby brought into our living rooms by the Irvine's, Campese's Renwicks etc of the pre-pro era. Rugby is all action for 80 minutes. When they were allowed back France won the Five Nations in 1954 and had a golden era in the 50's and 60's and 70's which is the main reason why rugby is so popular in France. I enjoy both games although to be honest my heart will always be with Union. Enough said, tho doubt if any RU purist could handle the skills on show. My first arguement is that rugby league coppied union. We in union have different laws for scrummaging for various age groups throughout the game which I feel is wrong. We had a few top-level union players start training with us and we used to lay bets about how long it would be before they cramped up - usually after about 30 mins!I was glad to be able to 'retire' back to the junior union ranks - where life was a lot less painful! In the United Kingdom, Rugby League is more popular in the north of England, whereas Rugby Union is more popular in the South. The_Voice saysJudging by the "crowds" at Rugby Union and League matches,the difference in entertainment value is minimal compared with football.75,000 pack Old Trafford every time Manchester United play.Last season at a professional rugby union match,they had to hire 1000inflatable dummies to give the impression that a crowd was there.The actual crowd was just over 1300.I don't know where you got the idea this was about rugby and soccer but its not.Its about league and rugby so go and tell somebody who cares. Where in rugby I had to go and look for the ball and average 10 tackles a game, and that was a good game for 10 tackles. Complain about this comment (Comment number 19). (Colin Deans Dad was a hooker so Colin Deans was destined to be a hooker) and there is far too much tinkering with the laws coupled with ajudication by referees who have little or no idea of what is going on in the front rows. If you are a fan of rugby then you definitely know that Rugby Union is just a few days away. Although there are many similarities between the two variants of rugby, the differences are pronounced enough that the two codes can be considered to be two different games. !Watch a State of Origin match !!!!!!!!! Unfortunately we are served sub-standard rugby league in the UK possibly because the best players go to union. As for the guy saying that union is for public school people its really the complete opposite. By 1895, the dispute had become irreconcilable and – with the support of clubs from neighbouring Lancashire – the Yorkshire clubs permanently broke away from the RFU. In union, the game is slowed down completely for rucks and scrum resets. Ask Gareth Thomas and I'm sure he will tell you otherwise. In an attempt to attract a crowd to pay them they did away with what they thought of as rugby's boring bits - lineouts and real scrums - made more space by taking two men off the pitch, and vowed to provide more entertainment. Everything about rugby league, from its viewing figures to the values that underpin its history, is superior to its cross-code sibling. I do admit a league scrum is a waste of time but the game as a whole is incredible. After a couple of years of senior rugby union I found it became a bit stale while it had also became less of a spectacle to watch. As someone far cleverer than I once observed, the only similarities between League and Union are the use of the name rugby and the shape of the posts and ball. Zimbabwe has more rugby players at all level than the current rugby league world champions NZ and France put together. Union is the beautiful game, while League, to my view at least, looks like a stripped down version of it, Complain about this comment (Comment number 21). though i have been spoilt watching shane williams for the last decade!union or league, which is better? I think that rugby league is better than Union because i have experienced the game and it is a better one on o0ne sport and i think that league is better that union. Having played both at pretty reasonable levels, I would say that a poor game of Union is still better to play and watch than a poor game of League but a good game of League is better to watch and play than Union.Having been at a Union playing school, I switched to League at university and my skill and fitness levels came on massively as the League game is faster and there are less places to hide on the pitch. Rugby Leagues advancement was also partly held back by the ridiculous position of the IRB to ban any player who dared give it a go. It is a thing of beauty and forward control can be as impressive as back play. For the latest updates across BBC blogs, visit the Blogs homepage. Union in the northern hemisphere (at club level) is awful, truely boring, the majority of the time, whereas (up until a couple of years ago) it was the exact opposite for League. I find the super league far more entertaining to watch than the guinness prem, but obviously that comes down to which code you prefer. Big Gav for me!!!! Drop goals and penalties are each worth three points in rugby union, whilst in rugby league they return one and two points respectively. The tackles were ferocious and at one stage there were some fisticuffs and we were down to fourteen a side. I find league pretty boring most of the time to be honest - an occasional great game, and a lot to admire if you get off on watching pure technique, but I generally turn the telly over to something else if it comes on. I have to admit that in the days of Eddie Waring and the "Up and under" back in the 70's I had no time for rugby League. I played league and union all the way through my youth till the age on 18 and represented my province in both forms the game. Complain about this comment (Comment number 73). Watching League just means that there is another alternative and exciting sport to enjoy as well as the increasingly frustrating Union. LittleRew - Union being a game for all shapes and sizes is good for inclusion, particularly at junior level, but having giant props and beanpole second rows who's attributes required for scrum and lineouts mean they are often immobile and clumsy often detracts from the game as a spectacle. What's complicated about coaching a national team? We pride ourselves on offering top class rugby hospitality at a range of top rugby league and rugby union venues, and can deliver an experience which you and your guests will remember forever. Complain about this comment (Comment number 22). How good it is to be back on the air. Nights, as they say, are fair drawing in.Maybe another way to look at it is that having both codes keeps a healthy rivalry and I was trying to think of union players who might make it in league......Sean Lamont, Brian O'Driscoll, Banahan, Shane Williams - it's all the real bangers who have great skill as well.Had my injections for Delhi today - feel like a slightly sick and swollen pin cushionJB, Complain about this comment (Comment number 55). Complain about this comment (Comment number 52), @ Hugh in FranceThe popularity of rugby league has been heavily shaped by political events and may well have ended up as the more popular sport had the second world was not intervened. Complain about this comment (Comment number 72). 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